8 months… holy shit…. It’s been 8 months since I’ve posted anything on here!! Dear lord, my bunnies- if I had known that time had actually sped up while I wasn’t looking I would have adjusted my life accordingly. Let me say that the past 8 months have been a foggy blur, and I’m sorry for the dead air coming from my end, and let us move forward.
What has brought me out of the black hole I’ve been living in was an extremely shocking experience with the DIY shopping site Etsy.com. When I’ve lectured at art schools or been asked in interviews/blogs/etc what a good way to start selling art/arty goods is, my first response has always been Etsy. It’s a great way to get exposure because of it’s social media aspect, and it’s really cheap and easy to use. Just as an experiment to see how many new people I could draw to my works, I decided to open an Etsy store in addition to my official webstore where I offered smaller one-of-a-kind arty things as well as my sunglasses line. It was going great, and was cheaper than my official webstore so I decided to drop my big webstore and move everything over to Etsy. Here’s where the problems started.
The day after I announced on my facebook fanpage that I would be moving everything over from my webstore to my Etsy store, I got an email from Etsy saying that items of mine had been flagged because they didn’t meet the Etsy requirements- and they had shut my whole store down. I’d like to think that the timing of my posting the store move and my items being flagged were a coincidence… but there are a handful of creepers out there who don’t like me, and realistically one of them reported my store to be a dick. Eyerolls and sighs all around.
So here is the nutso part of this… in the email from Etsy, here is a list of what I had to provide to them in order to get my entire store reopened:
- All shop info
- The names of everyone involved in any aspect of my shop from ideas to creation to shipping,etc
- Location of shop, identities of photographers, shipping locations, etc
- Photos of everyone involved in the shop
- Detailed description of how all items are made
- Length of time to make each item
- Every material used – and photos of raw materials of all everything involved with making the item
- Where materials are purchased plus proof of purchase of materials: photos or scans of receipts
- Photos of all tools and equiptment
- Photos of all work spaces
- Photos/graphics of all patterns used for items
- Photos of a step-by-step process of how everything was made
All the photos sent to them had to be shot next to a piece of paper showing your username and the date for authentication. My shop was to remain closed until I provided answers that they felt sufficient to all of these questions.
To all my arty little sweethearts out there – THIS IS BULLSHIT. Allow me to go, step-by-step through all the reasons WHY this is bullshit…
- Only ever disclose what shop info that you are comfortable disclosing to an unknown source. You have no idea what’s on the other side of that email you’re sending out- so be careful with what you give out to protect yourself. They have all the information that they should need when you set up an account.
- You are the owner of the store, and that is all they should need to know. You shouldn’t be required to expose the identities of anyone who might have anything to do with your art.
- Photos of everyone involved in your art? Come on… really? So if I have friends who drop off my packages for me, I have to photograph them and send it to Etsy? No way. Too intrusive.
- Detailed description of how items are made… don’t provide this. These are your trade secrets. If you’re making something that is really unique, do not send this information to a faceless business that creates daily blogs on how to make things. Again- you don’t know who gets these emails and you will have no idea how this information will be used. Protect your art and it’s process.
- Length of time to make your items… I had clothing, jewelry, sunglasses and paintings on my store. To be able to answer this is fully unrealistic.
- Photos of the raw materials- again, do not give out this information. Unless you are selling materials, don’t give up aspects of how you make your unique items.
- Reciepts or proof of purchased goods? That is information for whoever does your taxes- NOT for a faceless corporate website entity. No one but the IRS has the right to see that.
- Photos of tools and workspace: The majority of the people on Etsy create out of their home,and Etsy knows this. There is no way in hell I’m going to send photos of my house to anyone I don’t know. That is an invasion of privacy, and just creepy for them to demand.
- *Photos of graphics and patterns*- this is a biggie. Never ever ever ever ever disclose your graphics/ CAD illustrations / patterns to ANYONE except those who will be assisting you in production. Period. Ever. Etsy states in their “DO’s and “DON’Ts” that: “A third-party vendor may be used for intermediary tasks in some crafts. Acceptable examples include but are not limited to: printing the seller’s original artwork, metal casting from the seller’s original mold or kiln firing the seller’s handcrafted ceramic work.” I am in the unique position with my day job (where I design sunglasses and eyewear) that I am able to design unique sunglasses with my own CAD illustrations and have them manufactured in small quantities, and then I do the embellishments and packaging by hand. The same goes for my clothing (which are from my own patterns), and my laser-etched necklaces. These items fall within Etsy’s guidelines. But I will NEVER give out the original patterns, illustrations or CAD’s to a corporation. And industry standards/ common knowledge dictates that I keep this information private for my own protection. To hold my potential income and entire store hostage until I give up this private information breaks so many ethical rules that it’s insane.
- Never give anyone you’re step by step unless you want to be knocked off. Period.
I emailed them and told them that I wasn’t about to give out such detailed and personal information, and that I wanted my store closed permanently but to remain on buyer status so that I could still shop from the artists that I loved. They proceeded to kick me off Etsy completely. I emailed them letting them know that it was sad that I could no longer support the artists that I shop from through Etsy since I was totally booted- but that I would just buy directly from the artists instead. They didn’t want to loose a single penny, so they reinstated my account as just a buyer.
Here’s what creeped me out the most about this… there are people who have built up their etsy store so much that it is a major source of income for them. And all it takes is 1 person flagging their shop, and the whole thing is shut down. Your store and source of income can get hijacked and put on hold indefinitely until you meet Etsy’s the over-the-top demands that violate industry standards and your privacy. So if you have 1 crazy person out there who doesn’t like you, they have the power to shut you down. And if you are able to convince Etsy to open your store again- you can just be flagged again, and again, and again. You have no power over your own store.
After this happened to me, I got tons of emails and links from my darling bunnies to tons of other artists that this happened to. Here are a couple:
“Etsy shop suspended!- What you need to know”
“Etsy Closes Azreal’s Accomplice”
Apparently it’s impossible to get them on the phone. And even after you comply with everything they ask, they can still keep you shut down- just because they want to.
So here is my official retraction for any public promotion that I have ever given Etsy. This is not a safe business step. The control over your shop is apparently in the hands of people who want to falsely flag you and the whimsy of Etsy- and not in your hands where it should be. This is just wrong.
To the spiteful little creeper gem who flagged my etsy store- THANK YOU SO MUCH!! And I mean that with the most sincerity ever. I got shut down on etsy before I moved everything off my official webstore, so this was such a blessing. I learned so much about etsy that I needed to know, and was able to (with great ease) just move everything back onto my official webstore and not lose a penny of my DESPERATELY needed income. This was an awesome learning experience, and in the end I am super thankful for it.
So here is where I open this up to my readers…. can I get some feedback for the crafty cuties out there who want an inexpensive and reliable webstore? Where should they go? I’m on homestead.com- and I do love them very much, but there is a monthly fee for it (and some new artists aren’t at a place where they can afford a monthly fee). Ideas and feedback, anyone? Let’s all help each other out with big brainstorming!!!
Thank you for tuning in to my lengthy rambling. In my head, I’m giving you all a gigantic hug!!
(ps… since everything is back on my webstore, you can get these new editions there right now. Click the pic and check it out!! xooxoxoxxo)


















What a shame that someone felt they needed to stoop that low
I don’t know why people feel the need to stoop to such levels, and I don’t know why it always shocks me when they do. But their stooping led to me having a new wealth of knowledge that I can share with other artists…. so in the end, it backfired and everything is now better than ever. Don’t ya love it when evil is thwarted?
That sucks!
Thank you for the heads up. I was just about to open one myself.
Etsy apparently works great for lots of people… and it might work great for you. But before you open an etsy store, open a different store on another site first so that you have a back up in case things go poorly with etsy. When they shut down my store, I lost all my info for past sales and contacts- so when accounting time comes around, I have nothing to reference (which sucks). If I didn’t have my official store still in operation, etsy could have jacked up my business sales for months. Just be double prepared, and you’ll do fantastic.
I use ArtFire.com and I love it. It is incredibly cheap and very user friendly. The thing I don’t like about Etsy is that your buyers have to sign up for an account with them if they want to purchase something from the site. ArtFire does not require that which makes buying things a lot easier.
Awesome!!! I’ll totally be sharing that info. An amazing artist friend of mine Aunia Kahn (www.auniakahn.com) told me that Big Cartel is great. And another dreamy artist buddy of mine, Stevil Kinevil (www.stevesmith.com) really likes Zen Cart. Keep the resources coming! I want to be able to give a huge list of non-etsy sites to people when I’m asked about it! Thanks, Caitlin!!! xooxox
Woocommerce (based off WordPress) is a nice cart option, and I’ve heard good things about Wazala (if you know some CSS it’s better). I’ve used Shopp (also based off WordPress) – avoid it.
Good luck – this is a scary story!!!
I use Storenvy & have for well over a year. They’re always helpful & can answer your Qs. I’ve used etsy, goodsie & bigcartel before. Def check it out & thanks for sharing your crappy experience & dealings with etsy =]
http://www.eeksart.storenvy.com
Thank YOU for sharing your knowledge! The more info artists have, the more we can all protect ourselves and grow!
ps: your stuff is awesome!!
I follow Regretsy.com, and stories like this are unfortunately common, both with Etsy and Paypal. I’m glad this happened before the stakes got any higher for you!
This was actually the first time I jumped into a business situation without heavily investigating it first. I have so many friends on there, that I just assumed that it was safe. Finding something out the hard way just means that the lesson won’t be forgotten… but hopefully my experience can help other people not have to go through it at all.
…and by the way…. Way to take the high road and handle things like a classy lady. It’s so easy to fall into these traps of catty bullshit, especially when it’s attacking your passion and your livelihood. However it takes much bigger balls, I feel, to handle yourself as you did.
Thank you! That’s very sweet of you to say! xoxo!
Trust me- for about an hour or 2 after it happened, I was all about super-screamy-Hulk-SMASH-time. But I got over it, realized this was a totally blessing-in-disguise, and moved forward.
People are gonna hate. There’s not a god damn thing I can ever do about other people. But I sure as hell am not going to let their hate drag me into their misery. It’s all about smiling and moving on to better things while armed with more smarts than before. That means I win. I’m an aries, and I’m super competitive- so it’s important to me to win. Haha!!
Facebook is the same way. It took one person to falsely accuse me of copyright infringement ON MY OWN PHOTOS and got them deleted. So I had to appeal it and all this bulllshit. SO yeah it takes one crazy person to fuck with you. And thanks for all the comments for good places to sell art. I had no idea there were all these other places out there.
That’s insane!! I don’t understand these crazy people who actually take time out of the little that we have on this planet and dedicate it to anonymously screwing with people. It’s so creepy and sad. Whenever I start to get frustrated about someone fucking with me, I stop and calm myself down- and then I try to imagine how neurotic and pathetic it must be inside their cracked-out head. They choose to hide in the shadows of the interweb and hyperfocus all this hate towards someone- so much so that they will try to find ways to screw with their “enemy’s” life and livelihood. Can you imagine hating yourself so much that you have to sneaky-destroy the accomplishments of others just to feel better? After reminding myself of all of this… I can’t be mad at the person anymore. I just feel very very sorry for them. It’s too pathetic to feel anything but pity. And all we can really do is clean up the mess they made for us, and move on smiling and wiser.
But I know there are tons more art sites to sell your photos on… I’ll try to dig up more and post them on here.
xoxoox!
Thank you SO much for posting this – I was one of the (I’m sure) many who jumped at the chance to save some hard earned cash while purchasing your particular brand of awesomeness & ordered before you made the jump (happy dances all around when my order arrived, BTW!). I started my own Etsy shop a little over a year ago & have often wondered when the too good to be true fairies would show up. Hmph. I agree with you completely – there needs to be an inexpensive way for artists to support themselves without worry of having their livelihood held hostage (just went through a similar issue with PayPal, holding funds from sales for nearly 4 weeks for no other reason than they could, since I was a good little merchant with a 100% feedback rating as a seller, but that’s another story…). Best of luck & we’ll continue to support you no matter where you are! <3
That is straight up insane. Makes me look at them a lot differently. I was tempted to delete my Etsy account since I opened my own shop on my site, and now that choice is a lot easier! It really just blows my mind that it’s just as easy to set up as a shop as it is to shut one down. And with no support from Etsy? That makes me feel like their whole indie support aura is a fat lie. That sucks. Live and learn I guess! You don’t need Etsy anyways. Your fans know where to find you
xo
Rochelle,
Any suggestions for web hosting?? Adorable blog btw!!! I just got suspended on etsy for my hand-painted items and have sent more than the requested info and haven’t heard anything back..so upset and definitely ready to have my own thing so I don’t have to re-live this. Any suggestions would be amazing:).
Jessica
Jessica- there are oodles of blogs and free website platforms that you can hook up with paypal (and put paypal “buy now” buttons in). I would check if wordpress.com or blogger.com has this, but you can go to http://www.wix.com and have a free website (and they also provide webstore services). The bummer is that the etsy site is a great traffic generator because of it’s social networking platform- but you can always just blog and tweet and facebook and pin your goodies like crazy to drive people to your site.
As an Etsy seller (I think we opened our shops at the same time) I am more than shocked. Through Regretsy and also the Etsy forum itself I had also heard the horror stories about shut down shops before, but it never occurred to me that this could happen to you or any of the people I know on Etsy!
It is just insane, instead of going after the many Chinese reseller shops they shut down independent artists. Also the list they sent to you is purely insane!
We are trying to find other venues too, as it is just not a good idea to have all the eggs in one basket (unless maybe that basket is your own url with your own webstore). Right now we are looking into dawanda.com, which is basically the German Etsy and directed more towards German and European buyers, but they are getting more and more international. If you need any help selling there, please let me know!
I can also absolutely recommend storenvy.com, as it is free (yes, FREE!) and has some features which are better than Etsy. We opened our store there a few months ago to gain more exposure, and now I am really happy to have another store where we can direct people to.
The only thing is that Etsy has way more traffic than all the other sites, and even anti-socialites like us who are really bad at marketing get sales there.
But Etsy absolutely needs competition by companies who actually know how to run a venue like this. I will buy your lovely stuff wherever you sell it
xoxoxo, Katrin
Good grief that’s totally insane. I read that list of stuff they want and my jaw hit the floor. wtf?
What they are asking is way too much, and nearly all of it proprietory information that noone should have but you. I am glad you weren’t all in before this happened, that could have been totally devistating in too many ways.
I will be remembering this online name to avoid like the plague. One stupid complaint and they close a person’s shop without checking to see if it were valid or not? Stupid business model. But I guess they are counting on social media not catching up with them on that. Bunch of twits. [eye rolls]
Paypal is another business that has gone off the rails. I’ve a friend that consistantly has trouble getting payments from them. It totals into the thousands every month, which in turn ends up costing her money. Have you looked into Dwolla? Its supposed to be really good and as I understand it is now available all across the U.S., supposed to be coming available up here in Canada soon (this year?).
Transactions are instant, any amount over $10 cost 25cents, anything under $10 is free. From what I’ve been able to find, this company is very ligit, and secure. Might be worth a look see as an alturnative to being robbed by paypal.
It is a hassle, but I know some people manage to maintain several shops. Because each shopping website has their own ‘audience’. Having a “back up shop” is now an extra reason. Most adviced by other Etsy sellers was Artfire and Dawanda (a european site).
WOW. I cannot believe, I mean really, that they didn’t investigate this with you FIRST before shutting down your entire shop. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Some F*CKHEAD from Australia STOLE an f*ing painting from my husband THROUGH ETSY, and she didn’t get kicked off the site as a buyer. My husband PAID for this craphead to steal his painting. Paypal and Etsy screwed him over. I have had an etsy shop for a long time now, and I haven’t had any problems (yet) but this whole thing makes me want to write an angry letter to them and start a petition or something!!! AARGGGG!!!
No Offense, But This Is The Most Awesome Ever!!!
I love this!!!
Etsy did the same to me! I fought back: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/local-bridal-designer-banned-from-online-marketplace-1.1057579
Oh my god! You’re so awesome!! And your dresses are BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!! I hope that you were able to find another solid place to sell your samples, and that your experience with etsy didn’t hurt your business as much as it did mine! Thank you so much for sharing this!
April “Winchell, is the devil behind the mask of fat flaggers. If you have never heard of the “wench”, just google her name, then you will see her claim to fame and the reason for everyones unnecessary suspension.
Thank you so much for going into detail about the bull!! I was shut down today because a woman said the picture of my bag looked blue so she bought it…but I listed it as black very clearly and she never sent an email before the purchase asking for clarification. She told Etsy I was this huge scammer with two bags and I was out tricking people and demanded a refund. She is a reseller and liar but that was never investigated. I refused to refund her and…kind flipped out on her and Etsy. I had been wanting to leave for a long time anyway so this was the push I needed. You are so smart for not giving in!!
Glad to hear I am not the only way who called “BS” on Etsy! I didn’t comply with their demands either, but they reopened my shop anyway. Though they have let me know that they are watching me closely. Ohhh…I am shaking in my boots! I opened my store on my own website. Etsy can shove it! Here is my blog detailing my story: http://www.blissfulmondays.com/2013/02/14/307/
I meant “the only one”. My fingers sometimes have a mind of their own!
I received the same message from the Etsy Integrity team and actually submitted everything they asked for. I sent 40 pictures showing workspace, materials, step by step images, wrote step by step instructions…everything and still they suspended my shop. The item they contacted me about was actually a custom item but I went ahead and bought all the necessary materials and made it just to show them. It took me countless hours to create the item, take photos, organize everything, name the photos to correspond with each step of the process, respond to all their questions and write the step by step instructions. Despite that waste of effort and money, their response was “We do not have enough information to prove this item complies with our handmade policy”.
Just to put things into perspective, I had hundreds of sales, 100% positive feedback, always shipped within 1 day, never had any problems with buyers and always paid my fees on time. ALL of my items were handmade by myself and I was the only one ever involved in anything relating to my shop. I did all of the work.
To top it all off, now, I see that some of my items are now being copied and are listed on Etsy for double the price by a seller who joined Etsy five days after my shop was suspended. Coincidence? I think not. I reported the offending listings for copyright infringement and unsurprisingly got no reply. My guess is that someone from the “Integrity Team” wanted to make some extra cash by using people’s trade secrets to star their own shop.
Etsy treats sellers like crap. You are never allowed to speak out against injustice by Etsy in the forums or they’ll delete your posts and even your account. And I heard that just last week, they sent out promotional e-mails showing the sellers’ full names instead of their shop names so no respect for anyone’s privacy there.
If I can offer any piece of advice to anyone, it’s that you should never create an Etsy account. They will suspend your account at will, steal your listing fees and your trade secrets if you give them the photos. It sickens me to think that the hundreds of dollars I paid in fees went towards supporting these horrible people.